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Wednesday, May 17, 2006

More on Reservation


This is especially in response to Chella's comments. Maybe I did not make it very clear in my blog - I am not against reservation!

But I am certainly opposed to the current heuristic system. I agree that OBC's and Dalits are currently socially backward. But, when implementing reservation, how are we going to check if they have come out of their backwardness? Indeed, how are we going to check if their situation is improving at all? That's where the need for quantifiable targets arises.

Your priority is to give backward classes a level playing field. But that is not good enough. We have to remove their 'backwardness' for good. Within a reasonable timeframe, we should bring them to a stage where they don't need any further concessions/reservations.

We need to set ourselves quantifiable time-bound targets in terms of literacy, average income, percentage of workforce, etc. We could then take many more measures apart from reservation. At the end of the target period, we can always reevaluate the setup and see if there is need for further action.

And as regards IITs/IIMs/PG seats in medicine, I think that OBC candidates who can effectively compete for these seats have already overcome their social backwardness!! Honestly, do you think that an MBBS doctor applying for an MD seat can be 'socially backward'?

If you say 'yes', I can only say that the doctor and his descendants will always remain backward! A qualified doctor/engineer should be confident enough to shrug away any 'backward' tag. What is the use of reservation in MBBS/BE otherwise?

And likewise, if an SC/ST candidate competitively appears for the IIT entrance exam and does not make it, he is certainly good enough to get a seat in other big engineering colleges. Increasing reservation will only hurt the reputation of the IITs. We should make IITs centres of excellence, not social tools!

A sanskrit saying says "You learn a quarter from your teacher, a quarter by your own intellect, a quarter from your companions and quarter by the passage of time". By allowing only the best students into the IITs, we create an environment in which outstanding students learn and derive inspiration from each other! Thus, the IITs produce excellent students who have an edge over others from India and abroad. Why should we compromise on this advantage, when we have enough colleges to further our social objectives?

And in my opinion, it is harmful and unethical to impose reservation on the private sector. Forcing private companies is not in the spirit of privatization. But, of course, the government can encourage companies to discount social disabilities/backwardness/imbalances while recruiting employees. But dissenting entrepreneurs, who are not for reservation, should be given the freedom to adhere to their principles.

6 Comments:

At 3:32 AM , Blogger Osai Chella said...

WHY THIS TOPIC NOW? YOUR ARGUEMENTS ARE GOING TO SUPPORT WHOME?

We know it Mr Ganesh! That is why I said Jackals should not worry about Goats!

Some of your arguements of an OBC doctor... after MBBS are very shallow. But I wonder your timing.

You learn a quarter from your teacher ,, so the rest is still same for OUR mbbs! So we need in MD too.

NOW CAN YOU SHOW THESE PROTESTING HIGH CASTE YOUTHS the following arguements?

For our society these are not element of merit. Not many Dalits or OBCs have the money to fit the current merit criteria.

And just give me one answer: Why are these doctors not opposing the colleges who disregard merit and take money in form of capitation fees?

Why are they not opposed to the NRI quota?

Why are they not opposing those inferior students of private medical colleges who are rich? Is it not affecting the medical profession?

The medical students should call off their strike because it is not in the interest of the nation. The integration of society is more important than any other thing.

Reservation is the method to integrate society; it will take time but have patience.

Then on PRIVATE SECTOR SIDE .. EVEN after hearing the arguement .. shows me one thing "Those who can not learn from the distant light will learn surely when the the light came close as HEAT!

 
At 4:48 AM , Blogger R Ganesh said...

Medical students in India are protesting for a valid cause!!! Do you have any idea how difficult it is for an 'Open Category' MBBS doctor to get an MD seat? I shall try to get back to you with statistics soon about this.

As I have told you, I am against reservation in IITs/IIMs/PG courses in medicine. My timing is perfect! I intend to lend my voice in support of the protesting students.

At the same time, I am FOR OBC reservation.

I am no supporter of capitation fee either. I ask you the same question - why don't you people protest against management quota???

However, it is high time the government comes up with a comprehensive strategy with VERIFIABLE GOALS.

If you have your say, there will never be an end to backwardness in this country! And this is no way to bring about integration, this will only lead to more and more castes claiming to be backward.

 
At 4:54 AM , Blogger R Ganesh said...

1."Not many Dalits or OBCs have the money to fit the current merit criteria."
Agreed. But what about the high caste students who are poor??
If your argument is to be taken, we should give reservation purely on economic considerations!
2."Reservation is the method to integrate society; it will take time but have patience".
How much patience? How long? Why don't we be quantitative about the whole issue?
3."Some of your arguements of an OBC doctor... after MBBS are very shallow"
I don't see why. Mr X wants reservation in MBBS because he is backward. Then he wants reservation in MD because he is still backward. Then he'll want a reserved job and then a promotion. He will retire a wealthy comfortable man. But his son will still want all these concessions. Is there an end to this?

 
At 5:00 AM , Blogger R Ganesh said...

4."You learn a quarter from your teacher ,, so the rest is still same for OUR mbbs! So we need in MD too."
Simply because one quarter is the same for all, you want eligible students to lose out on another quarter, is it?

 
At 12:02 PM , Blogger Me said...

who the heck is chella and why is he an idiot?

by claiming reservation you are, in effect, saying that you are not clever enough to compete with others, and are somehow mentally incapable of proceeding without govt help... and THAT is hardly true...

instead of reservation lets have extended tutions/classes for those who are backward and help improve their condition so that they can compete with others on an equal basis.... coach them... help them study and bring them up to worldclass levels... but they won't agree to that... they'd rather have it just offered on a plate to them...

classification on the base of caste is rather redundant now... look at this chella dude... he's now in the UAE and he expects the benefits of a caste reservation to accrue to him?? what FOR?

and then he's calling them "protestin high caste youths" - the caste system is alive only because of ppl who refuse to think beyond their narrow perceptions...

when we're talking about things like health care, it's obvious that we'd only want the best people involved, not caste based...
when your father is dying or your wife is pregnant, i'll bet my life you won't take them to the government hospitals where most doctors who don't do well in college are languishing - you'll take them to private hospitals where you KNOW that you'll get good service... Now don't tell me the doctors in private hospitals are all forward, because thats a lie. the fact is that the private hospitals choose their doctors on MERIT and THAT'S why you'd entrust your life with them... not because of their caste...

and you, chella, is the reason why in India when we do clerical work like outsourcing from forign countries we consider ourselves great.

 
At 12:45 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Late Response from me. It doesnt take money to show-off merit and excellence.why don't you and others are urging students to study hard,so that there is no need for quota for them.what i mean is,if the overall % is good,then even a low scoring guy would have a good % that is close to the point where the open seats are closed.
@Chella- please let me know how did they arrive at the figure of 27%. it is based on a survey based in 1931.and merit is like talent.don't get me wrong on this.if we look honestly,we can nurture and cultivate merit for the best of nation.2)i am yet to see a single organisation opposing NRI quota in private colleges,by anyone,including backward oraganisations.

 

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